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PostSubject: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:18 am

The loot council system, as far as I understand, officers decide who each piece of loot goes to. This can be based on factors such as attendance, performance during that run, and how much of an upgrade that loot would be. The main issue I see is the accusation of favoritism. There will always be disagreements about who gets what loot, so if the officers just hand it out based on what they think, some folks may be angry if they feel they deserved a particular piece of loot but it was given to someone else. I know that favoritism is one of the leading reasons that people leave guilds.
there is always plenty to go around for everyone. People who work hard and attend raids are given preference on loot over those who do not contribute. We need to have fostered environment where acts of kindness like passing side-grades to much more needy members is frequent and appreciated.

This sounds attractive as a system to me but I wanted to get vote for changing our Dkp system.

please if you voted for Dkp System or The loot Council System. explain what your Vote based one

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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:06 am

i will start the vote here.. like i said befor i like the loot council system.
because simply i realy dont give a dam about how much geard i am . as long as i am geard ENOUGH for the instance the guild progress into it.

"hey i Desrve this gear then this NAP guy" , if pepole thinks like that, perhaps then the loot council system is not for us
"Gratz,it's okay m8 , you need it. i am geard enough for the next boss. and we going to kill this guy again. i will get it later:)" .. if pepole thinks like that . then its would be awsome to use the loot council system.

my vote for loot council system.
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:21 am

Yeah, loot council system is nice, but again you cant give let's say t5 to someone with "crap gear", cause they can be upgraded with let's say t4.
So there should be some kind of levels for your gear, like when you are ready for t4, t5, t6, t7, t925.
So let's say 3 levels t4 level , t5 level and hehe t6 level.
When you are on t4 lvl you can get t4 quality gear and so on...
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:14 pm

I agree with Feather.
Loot Council is a really good thing, but need to work well. Which includes no favortism as you say yourself, but also like Feather says, that just because its a bigger upgrade for someone it doesnt always goes to them. Its a balance between gearing maxed up and rewarding the ppl who attend the raids and perform well. If you can get that running it would be superb Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:32 pm

Featherias wrote:
Yeah, loot council system is nice, but again you cant give let's say t5 to someone with "crap gear", cause they can be upgraded with let's say t4.
So there should be some kind of levels for your gear, like when you are ready for t4, t5, t6, t7, t925.
So let's say 3 levels t4 level , t5 level and hehe t6 level.
When you are on t4 lvl you can get t4 quality gear and so on...
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:06 pm

the problem is there will always be complaints of favoritism so my vote is definitely a no..if u got dkp u get ur items-if not u don't simple as that..
imo sth like that might lead to lots of arguements and may end up in us disbanding..
i understand that the ditribution of dkp may be tough but it is proved to be the best system we got..
so i vote dkp Smile
besides dkp shows how active u are and gives items to the right people imo:D
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:11 pm

rottkappchen wrote:
the problem is there will always be complaints of favoritism so my vote is definitely a no..if u got dkp u get ur items-if not u don't simple as that..
imo sth like that might lead to lots of arguements and may end up in us disbanding..
i understand that the ditribution of dkp may be tough but it is proved to be the best system we got..
so i vote dkp Smile
besides dkp shows how active u are and gives items to the right people imo:D
also true...
i got an idea of the mix of those two..but i'm studying now so i'll explain later, and rott is studying too!!goooooo Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:19 pm

i would like to stick with the dkp system because :

1. it is based on non human judgement
2. it rewards raiders (afterwall we are a raiding guild)
3. because i have high dkp
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:33 pm

rofl at no.3 moohammer Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:36 pm

ye no3 goes with me too^^
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:06 pm

yea,we should start taking your dkp cuz you don't lewt,when we get to bt she will have like 4k dkp and take all our lewtss Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:09 pm

oh yea,i said i have an idea to share...i like both ideas from rott and feather, and i think there should be a middle, like when you wanna buy lewt officers talk about how well or bad you did in previous raids and decide on whether they will let you but the item or no.so both like a check up on preformance and upgrade and the dkp Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:13 pm

not bad and leave my dkp alone!!!it's not my fault i can't take anything!!!Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:29 pm

you can but you won't cuz you think your too leet Razz

wtg some dkp for cookies
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:51 am

For god sake pepole this is not a spam thread !!!.. please tell pepole to put there own votes instead of spaming here
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:59 pm

DKP is more fair I guess - but we have to put a limit to how much max DKP a member can horde. Maybe cap it at 500-600 dkp...or we're gonna have problems later on.
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PostSubject: re   Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:03 pm

I vote for DKP system.
Buth, if a player with lower dkp needs it more they should both discuss.
And if the player with higher DKP agree i'd would give it to the lower DKP person.

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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:13 pm

vote for dkp
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:40 pm

DKP all the way, but some kind of cap may be needed
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:48 pm

ive always been a fan of Zero Sum DKP myself (but thats me)

Loot Council works cause every time is distributed fairly based on whats for the good of the guild.

However corruption easily sets in, or people not on the council start to accuse of favouritism (particularly when things dont go their way) and with this guilds track record of loot whiners i really dont think it will work.


I like loot council though.


I suggest sticking with DKP to be honest, its simple and standard, and most people understand how it works and can see it working so theres less chance of people feeling cheated via favouritism.


But then again this guild has a massive problem with people taking loot as the be all and end all of raiding.
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:06 am

Meh, I have to admit that I am a secret fan Zero Sum DKP as well Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:26 am

Ive just had a brain storm!! The perfect solution to solve this problem!!!

Give all the loot to me!!! cheers

Serious tho we should continue with DKP but as people have said if someone needs it more it should be discussed and agreed who gets it.
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:33 am

I think DKP is a much fairer way to distribute the gear ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:54 am

Hmm i only know DKP, and it works fine with me, even though some people whine about it, but *cough* they haven't said anything here...
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PostSubject: Re: Distribute Wealth   Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:27 am

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